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Re: Brandon Marshall will make or brake the Bears ?

Bristo — Sun, 20 May 2012 23:20:46 -0500

You make valid points, but I would just like to point out the following:

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Re: Should the #4 Be Retired?

Bristo — Sun, 20 May 2012 21:03:43 -0500

Don't be daft, his number absolutely should be retired, and if he hadn't had the last 3 years of his career and just rode off into the sunset before all the controversy it would have been done week 1 of the following year.

Reasons why Brett Favre should have his jersey retired:

- A super bowl win and 2 appearances.
- 16 years with the team without missing a start (like, has this been forgotten already? Come on!).
- 442 TD passes as a Packer.
- 160 wins as a Packer.
- 25+ 4th qtr comebacks as a Packer.
- 61,000+ yds passing as a Packer.
- 5300+ completions as a Packer.

Anyone who says he doesn't deserve to have his number retired is a bitter idiot who can't appreciate the 16 great years he gave us because of the way his career ended.

Re: Should the #4 Be Retired?

FloridaPacker — Sun, 20 May 2012 17:34:35 -0500

It's a No Brainer that his Jersey should be retired. But, I too agree with, "Not Yet." I would think the best timing would be the Season after he is inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame. That would be the 2016 Season.

Re: suggestion

caddis — Sun, 20 May 2012 12:57:17 -0500

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KarlZimm
The D was good enough to win against playoff caliber teams all year long. if you pick one thing and say, "We aren't going to win the SUper Bowl because..." you have a 90%+ chance of being right, only one team can win the Super Bowl. Was the defense the biggest issue on the team, yes, certainly, and I complained regularly about how the strategy made sense, to cut down on the big plays, yet still gave up the big plays.

Actually the worse odds are about 32-1. Your odds greatly improve when you have one of the best O's ever to step on the field and a solid ST'screw. Our D was good enough against the Saints with Collins playing. Without Tebow and a 500 team in the Bronco's. Without a number of D starters for the Giants. And a Lions team that hasn't figured out how to beat us yet. Just because it worked during the season,has nothing to do with the playoffs. Other factors are always in effect. The weather, injuries, the way the ball rolls even. The coaches job is to make up for the teams short comings. Ours not only didn't, he helped make them worse.

Re: Brandon Marshall will make or brake the Bears ?

FloridaPacker — Sun, 20 May 2012 11:39:05 -0500

But the bigger issue as it relates to the Original Premise of the Thread is should the Packers be concerned about him being with the Bears. Or does Marshall being with the Bears make them more of threat. I say it does make the Bears more of a threat withouth question in my mind. I think Marsahall's problems earlier in his career were the product of a 23-24 type who was dealing with what was diagonosed as "Borderline Personality Disorder." He has been public and candid about that. He has and continues to receive professional help to control it.

His time in Miami was not perfect but definitely less combustible than it was in Denver. Also, Marshall hasn't ever played with a good team. I expect the best we've seen out of Marshall. Combine that with an ever improving Jay Cutler. Even Marshall has talked about how different Cutler is now than he was then. Throw in one of the Best RBs in Football and you have a very talented set of Triplets in Chicago matched with a very Competive Defense. That makes the Bears stronger than they have been IMO.

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Re: Should the #4 Be Retired?

caddis — Sun, 20 May 2012 11:26:28 -0500

Of coarse it should be retired. He was of the best to ever play the position, never missed a game, and was a winner. But I as well many others aren't ready for it yet.

Re: Brandon Marshall will make or brake the Bears ?

backpacker — Sun, 20 May 2012 11:13:39 -0500

In that case, you are right, sir.
I should have looked up the stats myself instead of speculating a guess...

Re: prediction - Driver

SeniorBeaver — Sun, 20 May 2012 10:09:21 -0500

Agreed. Gurley Borel and Moss seem to be good prospects to develop at ##5

Re: Should the #4 Be Retired?

seven — Sun, 20 May 2012 10:01:40 -0500

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KarlZimm
Yes, he does. He helped put the Packers back on the map and is clearly one of the best QBs in NFL history. How did Reggie White (whose number is also retired) do more for this team in 6 years than Favre did in 16? I don't care how Favre left, that doesn't matter to what he did for the team when he was here, and that is why his number should be retired. IMHO, if you don't think Favre's number should be retired you're just being petty...

Cool....I get to have another "I agree" post........only this one will be "I agree with exactly what he said".

Re: Brandon Marshall will make or brake the Bears ?

Chraya — Sun, 20 May 2012 06:01:30 -0500

Marshall had 1,265 yards and 6 TDs in Cutler's last year in Denver and 1,120 and 10 TDs in Orton's first year in Denver. I don't see a big difference. He was over 1,000 yards both years in Miami with over 1,200 yards last year. I don't think you can say he started making problems after Cutler left and he had no one to throw him the football. The problems and his production are two different stories.

Re: prediction - Driver

Chraya — Sun, 20 May 2012 05:43:53 -0500

I really hope that's the case but Driver's agent is talkling like Driver will be back with a modified contract. As much as I love the guy (Driver and William Henderson are my 2 favorite Packers of all time), it is time to move on.

Re: Should the #4 Be Retired?

Chraya — Sun, 20 May 2012 05:40:03 -0500

I don't think there will be much controversy about this. Yes but wait a while will be the consensus.

Re: Should the #4 Be Retired?

Chraya — Sun, 20 May 2012 05:38:22 -0500

Given that the Packers have applied a very high standard to retiring Jerseys, Reggie's should not have been retired. His best years were in Phili not GB. Favre clearly deserves to be retired if you focus only on football. But I think it is going to take a lot more than 1 or 2 years (Murphy's suggestion) for bygones to be bygones. Who is going to handle the ceremony for the team? Normally, that would be Murphy and TT. Not sure Brett would even show up to be in the same room with TT.

Re: Should the #4 Be Retired?

Swizz — Sun, 20 May 2012 03:11:36 -0500

You really want to open this can of worms again ? The last Favre controversy split this board so badly that some members left, never to return (generally pro-Favre guys, like Anubis).

No Question about it...

brettfavre4pres — Sun, 20 May 2012 01:23:07 -0500

Given the ending history, it can't touch how he made us feel when he went against the coach's call and scored a sick TD. He really just wanted to play and win there is no denying that. He deserves more than just a number 4 retirement. For 16 years I knew not another Quarterback. The football gods were so nice to bless us with two in a row; number to retire, yes #12 will be just as historic or greater.

prediction - Driver

SeniorBeaver — Sun, 20 May 2012 01:18:56 -0500

Packer for life = Some non-player front-office position. Perhaps even an asst. Coach

Re: Should the #4 Be Retired?

backpacker — Sat, 19 May 2012 23:59:53 -0500

Yes, but not yet

Re: suggestion

KarlZimm — Sat, 19 May 2012 23:48:20 -0500

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SeniorBeaver
In spite of the terrific offense GB ranked really low in time of possession.

Really low? We were #12 in the NFL. Please start with data that is true.

Re: Should the #4 Be Retired?

KarlZimm — Sat, 19 May 2012 23:09:50 -0500

Yes, he does. He helped put the Packers back on the map and is clearly one of the best QBs in NFL history. How did Reggie White (whose number is also retired) do more for this team in 6 years than Favre did in 16? I don't care how Favre left, that doesn't matter to what he did for the team when he was here, and that is why his number should be retired. IMHO, if you don't think Favre's number should be retired you're just being petty...

Should the #4 Be Retired?

Bubba — Sat, 19 May 2012 20:51:46 -0500

That is a really good question. Normally I wouldn't bring this up, but Murphy was in the news and spoke about this.

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Bubba on May 19, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Besides being the QB who was on a winning SB team, what has he really done to deserve his number being retired? IMO nothing. Yes he was on teams that were more or less successful after decades of being in the basement of the NFL. How much was that his doing and how much was that success Wolfs ability to bring in players? IMO R. White was far more important to the Packer teams and the Packer turnaround than Favre ever was! Does Favre deserve to be in the Packer hall of fame? Yes. Does Favre deserve to be in the NFL hall of fame? Probably. Does Favre deserve to have his number retired? NO! Was Favre exiting to watch? Yes! As much for his ability to pull a win out of his butt as his ability to throw an interception. Through all his years of playing for the Packers, in clutch situations, my mantra was (repeated over and over) “Please don’t throw an interception”! Should a player have his number retired that fans would constantly pray “Please don’t throw an interception”? IMO No.

Re: Brandon Marshall will make or brake the Bears ?

backpacker — Sat, 19 May 2012 12:02:00 -0500

I'm not worried--but I'm prejudiced in thinking that he is over-rated. I say 'prejudiced' because I haven't really seen him play all that much & all I know is what I've read...you know, the stuff that would have someone say he could be like a cancer to a team. Here's my uninformed guess without looking at stats: I bet he wasn't a disruptive 'cancer' when he was putting up the stats mentioned above? Denver probably wasn't throwing him to the curb when Cutler was throwing him the ball. Again I'm guessing, but it seems more likely that when he's been a bit mal-contented coincide with times and teams that weren't helping his stat-lines? Like with Denver/Orton & Miami/Henne/Moore.

Re: Must read, George Koonce "Life After Football"

Brucest — Sat, 19 May 2012 07:39:48 -0500

Excellent read. Very thoughtful. Glad to see George is doing well.

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JC — Sat, 19 May 2012 01:20:12 -0500

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Re: Brandon Marshall will make or brake the Bears ?

Chraya — Sat, 19 May 2012 00:51:58 -0500

He'll put up big numbers but will he eventually be a cancer? Two teams have given up on him despite his talent. There's a reason for that.

Re: Brandon Marshall will make or brake the Bears ?

FloridaPacker — Fri, 18 May 2012 21:28:12 -0500

Brandon Marshall is 28 years old and right in the Prime of his Career. In his 3 years as a starter in Denver with Jay Cutler as QB his production was as follows

Receptions: 307
Yards: 3710
Touchdowns: 23

Cutler is better and more mature now than when he played with Marshall before. The Packers don't fear anyone, but I do not see how Marshall does anything other than put up BIG numbers with the Bears. Far more evidence to suggest that than there is to suggest otherwise.

Re: Brandon Marshall will make or brake the Bears ?

Bristo — Fri, 18 May 2012 14:59:45 -0500

In my recollection, this is a guy who gets up for the big games, and I would hazard to say that playing against Green Bay would be about as no a game as you get as a Bear during the regular season. I have a feeling he'll be fine when they play us, but how it goes against the other teams when things aren't as high profile, tough to say.

Brandon Marshall will make or brake the Bears ?

brettfavre4pres — Fri, 18 May 2012 13:30:05 -0500

What do you all think, should the Pack fear his acquisition?

I hope he his a head case along side the other drama queens on that team. (Urslacker,Chumpler)

Re: suggestion

Bristo — Fri, 18 May 2012 08:16:49 -0500

No no we don't need a run game we can just throw the ball shorBLARHGOHAERFTLKAHGSNDGM

Re: Why do you love the Green Bay Packers?

brettfavre4pres — Fri, 18 May 2012 02:36:30 -0500

I saw Favre as a boy in 94 against the cowgirls play on thanksgiving, and what was a forced cowgirl fan attempt by my dad and uncles, Brett and Sterling made me a cheese lifer.
All that fragmented sentance is why I love the Packers they are a class act organization and the fans have more input than any other professional sports team.